On the banks of a canal in industrial east London sits Britain's oldest salmon smokehouse: H. Forman & Son.
Inside, 80 employees help fillet and salt salmon by hand, then hang the fish in giant smokers. It's the same method used by the company's founder, Harry Forman, 111 years ago.
"He was an Eastern European Jewish immigrant that fled the pogroms — he came from Ukraine — and settled in London's East End in the late 19th century," says his great-grandson Lance Forman.
Forman is the fourth-generation owner to run this small family business. And like many small businesses across the United Kingdom, he's trying to figure out how "Brexit" — a possible British withdrawal from the European Union — could affect his bottom line.
Britons go to the polls June 23 in a nationwide referendum on whether to stay in the EU or pull out and go it alone.
While big banks and corporations have lobbying teams involved in the rival "In" and "Out" campaigns, and employ research divisions to help them prepare for a possible change, small businesses are scrambling to figure out how a Brexit could affect them and what value EU membership brings to their business.
But it's difficult to calculate. Some small businesses were founded after Britain entered the European Economic Community, then known as the Common Market, in 1973. Or they may use technology that wasn't around before then. Others have watched warily as that economic union grew into a political union — the European Union — with its own diplomats, fiscal policy and greatly expanded regulatory environment. It's different from what the U.K. originally signed up to, they say.
That's Forman's view. He plans to vote to leave the EU.
"I travel to Europe, I have very good friends across Europe," Forman says. "That's not what this is about. It's about the organization, which has become too powerful, undemocratic and corrupt, in fact, in many cases. It just needs to go."
He's had to comply with EU regulations that he calls ridiculous. For example, he says he spent thousands of dollars last year on EU-compliant packaging — to label his smoked salmon as containing fish, for people who have allergies. And he says he wasn't allowed to extend his new factory wing to the edge of a nearby canal because EU rules required him to leave space for certain insects and other wildlife that mate in those wetlands.
The House of Commons estimated in 2010 that as many as half of Britain's laws and regulations are influenced by the EU in Brussels. Forman says this has diluted British identity.
"People need to feel their culture and their patriotism and their nationality. You're losing that, and people are resenting that now," he says. "The economics don't work, the [euro] single currency doesn't work. I think we need to be that first domino to fall."
But economists say that if Britain leaves the EU, it's the British economy that will falter.
"Overall, U.K. GDP would go down by 5 percent," warns Thomas Sampson, an international trade expert at the London School of Economics and co-author of a recent report on the consequences of leaving the EU. "That would be a reduction in GDP per household of about $5,000, and it would mean that the activity of the average small business — sales of the average small business — would be hit by 5 percent, too."
The prime minister, the Bank of England, the IMF, the OECD — lots of big financial institutions — all predict economic losses from a possible Brexit. But opinion polls show Britons are nevertheless divided roughly evenly on the issue.
"I think their view is, 'Well, there may be an economic cost, but that's a price we're willing to pay to regain what we see is our lost national sovereignty,' " Sampson says. "A lot of the debate in the U.K. is about this economics versus political sovereignty trade-off."
Back in his smokehouse, Forman says he has reassured his EU employees that he'll lobby to keep them, no matter what happens in June's vote. Many of them are from Eastern Europe — just like his great-grandfather, the company's founder. They're allowed to live and work in the U.K. because it's a member of the EU, and the prospect of that changing worries them, Forman says.
Roughly half of U.K. trade is with the EU — and that could be hurt. But Forman wants to expand his sales elsewhere.
"Whole Foods is a big American customer of ours," he says of the upscale U.S. grocery chain.
Through his website, Forman sells directly to customers worldwide, and he says he doesn't need Brussels to negotiate a trade deal for him. He currently has to pay customs duties when he ships salmon to places outside the EU. And if the vote goes his way in June, he may have to pay to send his fish to Europe, too.
But that, he says, is a price he's willing to pay to restore British sovereignty — even if it ends up hurting his own bottom line.
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And now let's focus on just one voter. He's a British voter facing a choice to yank his country out of the European Union. His view of that broad issue grows out of his own specific experience. And that experience helps to explain why British voters are evenly divided on this summer's vote, even though experts warn that departing the EU would be a mistake.
The voter spoke with NPR's Lauren Frayer.
LAUREN FRAYER, BYLINE: On the banks of a canal in industrial East London sits Britain's oldest salmon smokehouse.
Hi, I'm Lauren Frayer.
LANCE FORMAN: Hi, Lauren.
FRAYER: Nice to meet you.
The owner of this fourth-generation family business is Lance Forman.
FORMAN: So you've got sheet covers. And then once the sheet covers are donned, you've got the hairnets.
FRAYER: We don protective gear, and he gives me a tour.
FORMAN: Here we are in the smokehouse. We take the freshest salmon we can get our hands on. It was swimming a day or two before we got it.
FRAYER: Here, 80 employees filet and salt salmon by hand, then hang the fish in giant smokers.
FORMAN: This is exactly the way my great-grandfather would have been doing it 111 years ago. And he was an East European Jewish immigrant that fled the pogroms, settled in London's East End in the late 19th century.
FRAYER: Today, Forman employs many Eastern Europeans and says some of them are worried. They're allowed to live and work here because Britain is part of the EU. But their boss wants Britain to leave that union.
FORMAN: I travel to Europe. I have very good friends across Europe. That's not what this is about. It's about the organization, which has become too powerful, un-Democratic, corrupt.
FRAYER: He says he's had to spend thousands of dollars complying with EU regulations that he calls ridiculous - things like labeling his smoked salmon as containing fish for people who have allergies or refraining from building a new factory wing on nearby canal wetlands. The U.K. government estimates that up to half of its laws and regulations come from Brussels.
Foreman says that's diluted British identity.
FORMAN: People need to feel their culture and their patriotism and their nationality. And you're losing that. And people are sort of resenting that now. And economics don't work, the single currency doesn't work. And I think that we need to be that first domino to fall.
FRAYER: Economists say that if Britain leaves the EU, it's the British economy that will falter.
THOMAS SAMPSON: Overall, U.K. GDP would go down by 5 percent. And that would mean that, you know, the activity of the average small business, sales of the average small business would be hit by 5 percent.
FRAYER: International trade economist Thomas Sampson says people like Lance Forman are voting with their hearts rather than their heads.
SAMPSON: I think their view is, well, there may be an economic cost, but that's a price we're willing to pay to regain what we see as our lost national sovereignty.
FRAYER: Back in the smokehouse, Forman says he'll lobby to keep his EU employees no matter what happens in June's vote. Half of all U.K. trade is with the EU, and that could be hurt. But Forman says he wants to expand sales elsewhere anyway. He walks me over to a rack of salmon destined for the U.S.
FORMAN: An American customer (unintelligible).
FRAYER: This is being sent to America to Whole Foods?
FORMAN: Absolutely, they have a particular specification that we do for them.
FRAYER: Forman sells directly to customers worldwide. And he says he doesn't need Brussels to negotiate a trade deal for him. He currently has to pay customs duties when he ships to places outside the EU. And if the vote goes his way in June, he may have to pay to send his fish to Europe, too.
That, he says, is a price he's willing to pay, though. Lauren Frayer, NPR News, London. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.